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	<title>Comments on: Lou Dobbs: Federal employees earn twice as much as private workers</title>
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		<title>By: Rebmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 03:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is apples and oranges.  Now that government has outsourced everything possible, most government jobs are higher level and most outsourced jobs are private and low level.  Just as planned--death of the middle class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is apples and oranges.  Now that government has outsourced everything possible, most government jobs are higher level and most outsourced jobs are private and low level.  Just as planned&#8211;death of the middle class.</p>
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		<title>By: Thane of Towson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thane of Towson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One can make more money working for Uncle Sam than for Mr. Charlie?  Why is this a problem?  You can&#039;t have a nation of shopkeepers when the population is reaching hundreds of millions toward a billion.  Grow up America.  One can still be a Hunter--Gatherer, but it not practical or satisfying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One can make more money working for Uncle Sam than for Mr. Charlie?  Why is this a problem?  You can&#8217;t have a nation of shopkeepers when the population is reaching hundreds of millions toward a billion.  Grow up America.  One can still be a Hunter&#8211;Gatherer, but it not practical or satisfying.</p>
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		<title>By: HipHopStar</title>
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		<dc:creator>HipHopStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I&#039;m new and I guess this is as good a place as any to see if anyone knows of a good loss mitigation training course?

I keep hearing about people making tons of money becoming foreclosure consultants.
So, If you have any info or you have purchased a good course, please share.  I&#039;m retired and looking for a home based business that I can earn a decent income with.

Thanks,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I&#8217;m new and I guess this is as good a place as any to see if anyone knows of a good loss mitigation training course?</p>
<p>I keep hearing about people making tons of money becoming foreclosure consultants.<br />
So, If you have any info or you have purchased a good course, please share.  I&#8217;m retired and looking for a home based business that I can earn a decent income with.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
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		<title>By: Artaban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artaban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike M, you&#039;re correct about wage disparities when comparing the compensation of top leadership in government with CEOs in private industry, but not for the majority of government jobs, which is the point of the article.  

In my profession (secondary education), it&#039;s been well established that a private school teacher can double his or her salary overnight by taking a public teaching job.  Never mind that the average test scores are lower among the public students when compared with those schooled privately (or at home).  When one takes the time to use one&#039;s brain, and considers how many more public teachers there are than private CEOs, this article makes perfect sense. 

Furthermore, I can tell you with certainty there are public school principals that have shamelessly exploited the government system.  One worked as a principal in two states, so upon his retirement he could collect two pensions.  He pulls in over $200,000 a year as a retiree. 

Government will bankrupt us yet (oh wait, they already have!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike M, you&#8217;re correct about wage disparities when comparing the compensation of top leadership in government with CEOs in private industry, but not for the majority of government jobs, which is the point of the article.  </p>
<p>In my profession (secondary education), it&#8217;s been well established that a private school teacher can double his or her salary overnight by taking a public teaching job.  Never mind that the average test scores are lower among the public students when compared with those schooled privately (or at home).  When one takes the time to use one&#8217;s brain, and considers how many more public teachers there are than private CEOs, this article makes perfect sense. </p>
<p>Furthermore, I can tell you with certainty there are public school principals that have shamelessly exploited the government system.  One worked as a principal in two states, so upon his retirement he could collect two pensions.  He pulls in over $200,000 a year as a retiree. </p>
<p>Government will bankrupt us yet (oh wait, they already have!).</p>
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		<title>By: Mike M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 20:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand by my prior statement - the story is idiotic.

They compare average salaries without considering the job being performed.  They aren&#039;t comparing what an average civil engineer working for the government makes  relative to an average civil engineer working in private industry.

Compare like jobs and you&#039;ll find that private industrty almost always pays SIGNIFICANTLY better than government positions.  The catch is that there are a LOT more low-level jobs in the private sector than in the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand by my prior statement &#8211; the story is idiotic.</p>
<p>They compare average salaries without considering the job being performed.  They aren&#8217;t comparing what an average civil engineer working for the government makes  relative to an average civil engineer working in private industry.</p>
<p>Compare like jobs and you&#8217;ll find that private industrty almost always pays SIGNIFICANTLY better than government positions.  The catch is that there are a LOT more low-level jobs in the private sector than in the public.</p>
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		<title>By: 411 Realty Inc.</title>
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		<dc:creator>411 Realty Inc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 04:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story is not idiotic,the point is a subject with which all should be concerned.The President and McDonalds is no comparison.Federal positions are secured by your tax dollars,with a lack of service by most affiliated groups.If a civilian business operated as most federal agencys do,they would be a statistic,and out of business.Real Estate related,a good example would be FHA.The primitive robotic methods of most federal operations create concern to all applications.No service required within tax paying,federal employed positions--That is extra!!.“That’s the stuff of revolutions.”as stated above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story is not idiotic,the point is a subject with which all should be concerned.The President and McDonalds is no comparison.Federal positions are secured by your tax dollars,with a lack of service by most affiliated groups.If a civilian business operated as most federal agencys do,they would be a statistic,and out of business.Real Estate related,a good example would be FHA.The primitive robotic methods of most federal operations create concern to all applications.No service required within tax paying,federal employed positions&#8211;That is extra!!.“That’s the stuff of revolutions.”as stated above.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 18:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an idiotic story, if you ask me.  They compare average salaries, but they don&#039;t compare average salaries for the same job in private v. public sectors.  Naturally the president will make more than a McDonald&#039;s part time employee.  But he&#039;ll also make less than the CEO of just about any moderate size company.  Which comparison is fairer?

I work in private industry.  When I was looking for a job, I had offers private and public.  The Federal Government&#039;s offers were consistently at 50-60% of the offers from private industry in terms of wages.  The benefits may have made up SOME of the difference, but not all.

And those benefits are often overblown.

My spouse works in the public sector.  People are often complaining about their &quot;over-generous pensions&quot;.  Never is it accurately reported that those pensions are funded largely through a mandatory 10% employee contribution.  The remainder of the funding is equivalent to a 3% employer match and a guaranteed rate of return of a little over 7%.

In other words, their &quot;over-generous pension&quot; is equal to an AVERAGE corporate 401k with a guaranteed rate of return just barely over what municipal bonds are paying.  Is that really overly generous?  What happens if the employee dies young?  The pension does not pass on to heirs.  Wouldn&#039;t the employee be better off with an average corporate 401k?  Even if you invested in 1928 BEFORE the market crash and held on through this current bubble collapse, your average rate of return on the S&amp;P 500 was WELL over that rate.

That is not an overly generous pension.  That is a slush fund that the state raids to pay its current bills, only to complain later that there is no money to pay the pensions.  How would you like it if your employer could raid your 401k anytime they felt like it?

BTW, Taylor Cal. is dead wrong about getting pension AND social security payments - because of the social security windfall provisions, this simply doesn&#039;t happen.  My spouse stands to get next to none of my future SS payments should I die young, or even of her own earned SS benefits because of her pension.  On the other hand, were she not working at all, she WOULD get my SS benefits.  How screwed up is that?

BTW - my private sector 401k match - FAR, FAR, FAR more generous than that pension.  I don&#039;t even have to average 7% rates of return.  Heck, I only have to get just under 5% average rates of return for the same benefit.  ANY decent bond fund will return that rate of return over the long haul.  You could almost invest in nothing but 30 year treasuries and get that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an idiotic story, if you ask me.  They compare average salaries, but they don&#8217;t compare average salaries for the same job in private v. public sectors.  Naturally the president will make more than a McDonald&#8217;s part time employee.  But he&#8217;ll also make less than the CEO of just about any moderate size company.  Which comparison is fairer?</p>
<p>I work in private industry.  When I was looking for a job, I had offers private and public.  The Federal Government&#8217;s offers were consistently at 50-60% of the offers from private industry in terms of wages.  The benefits may have made up SOME of the difference, but not all.</p>
<p>And those benefits are often overblown.</p>
<p>My spouse works in the public sector.  People are often complaining about their &#8220;over-generous pensions&#8221;.  Never is it accurately reported that those pensions are funded largely through a mandatory 10% employee contribution.  The remainder of the funding is equivalent to a 3% employer match and a guaranteed rate of return of a little over 7%.</p>
<p>In other words, their &#8220;over-generous pension&#8221; is equal to an AVERAGE corporate 401k with a guaranteed rate of return just barely over what municipal bonds are paying.  Is that really overly generous?  What happens if the employee dies young?  The pension does not pass on to heirs.  Wouldn&#8217;t the employee be better off with an average corporate 401k?  Even if you invested in 1928 BEFORE the market crash and held on through this current bubble collapse, your average rate of return on the S&amp;P 500 was WELL over that rate.</p>
<p>That is not an overly generous pension.  That is a slush fund that the state raids to pay its current bills, only to complain later that there is no money to pay the pensions.  How would you like it if your employer could raid your 401k anytime they felt like it?</p>
<p>BTW, Taylor Cal. is dead wrong about getting pension AND social security payments &#8211; because of the social security windfall provisions, this simply doesn&#8217;t happen.  My spouse stands to get next to none of my future SS payments should I die young, or even of her own earned SS benefits because of her pension.  On the other hand, were she not working at all, she WOULD get my SS benefits.  How screwed up is that?</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; my private sector 401k match &#8211; FAR, FAR, FAR more generous than that pension.  I don&#8217;t even have to average 7% rates of return.  Heck, I only have to get just under 5% average rates of return for the same benefit.  ANY decent bond fund will return that rate of return over the long haul.  You could almost invest in nothing but 30 year treasuries and get that.</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor Cal.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor Cal.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 17:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beside being paid twice as much as private workers, federal/civil workers work 1/2 as hard. Most civil workers I know of live in expensive houses (because their income is fixed for life) and have additional time to do additional side jobs such as, realtor, sell insurances, teaching.. to get extra $. And on top of that, when they retire, they get pension and social security payments, whereas, private sector worker only get the social security payment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beside being paid twice as much as private workers, federal/civil workers work 1/2 as hard. Most civil workers I know of live in expensive houses (because their income is fixed for life) and have additional time to do additional side jobs such as, realtor, sell insurances, teaching.. to get extra $. And on top of that, when they retire, they get pension and social security payments, whereas, private sector worker only get the social security payment.</p>
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